The W.A. Erwin Cup: Rules

The W.A. Erwin Cup is year-long competition between Duke and UNC to determine which school had the superior year in athletics. It takes every sport into account, and leaves no stone unturned. This is the people’s alternative to the insufficient Carlyle Cup. Don’t miss part one, which reviewed the history that led us to this point and explained the origin story of W.A. Erwin.

Now, it’s on to the rules! Please note that these rules are sort of like the draft you turn in just before the final draft. We welcome reader feedback. If you see a flaw in the system, or just have an idea for improvement, let us know in the comments. It will be helpful, I promise, and we’ll give you special recognition for having made an amendment.

Part Two: RULES

Some review from the earlier post: unlike the Carlyle Cup, we’ll be striving to give each sport its appropriate weight. Men’s basketball is obviously the king of the hill, with football second. After that, the sports will be roughly equal. Also, we’ll award points for ACC regular season and championship titles, NCAA final fours, and national titles.

For our purposes, a “rivalry win” means a game between Duke and UNC. Obviously. Here’s the system.

The First Tier 17 sports

Includes: m/w cross country, m/w fencing, m/w golf, m/w swimming/diving, m/w tennis, m/w track & field, wrestling, volleyball, rowing, field hockey, women’s lacrosse

In sports where the two teams meet head-to-head:

*One and a half (1.5) points for a rivalry win at home or a neutral venue.

*Two (2) points for a win on the road.

*Three (3) additional points for capturing an ACC regular season or tournament championship. Five (5) points total if both are captured.

*If the teams meet just once in the regular season (wrestling, volleyball, field hockey) an additional 1.5 points can be gained from finishing higher in the ACC standings, provided neither school wins either ACC title OR faces off in the ACC championship tournament. This is to ensure that at least three (3) points are at stake for every sport.

*Six (6) points for a Final Four berth. (Or a top four finish, if the sports’ format is different.)

*Nine (9) points for a national championship. National championship points replace Final Four points.

*Four (4) point bonus for any rivalry win in the NCAA tournament.

Others:

*In track and field, only the ACC Indoor and Outdoor championship will be counted, and a team wins 1.5 points only for a higher finish, for a possible gain of six (6) total points in the sport. ACC championship and Final Four/national title points still apply.

*In rowing, golf, cross country, and swimming & diving, only the ACC championship counts. Three (3) points to the higher finisher, other championship point totals apply. In fencing, the one meet a year between the schools will count for the three (3) points.

The Second Tier – 5 Sports

Includes: baseball, men’s lacrosse, women’s basketball, m/w soccer

*Three (3) points for a rivalry win at home or at a neutral venue. (A series win in baseball.)

*Four (4) points for a win on the road. (Again, a series win in baseball.)

*Four (4) additional points for capturing an ACC regular season or tournament championship. Seven (7) points total if both are captured.

*If the teams meet just once in the regular season (m/w soccer, men’s lacrosse) an additional 3 points can be gained from finishing higher in the ACC standings, provided neither school wins either ACC title OR faces off in the ACC championship tournament. This is to ensure that at least six (6) points are at stake for every sport.

*Eight (8) points for a Final Four berth. (Or a top four finish, if the sports’ format is different, or a College World Series appearance in baseball.)

*Twelve (12) points for a national championship. National championship points replace Final Four points.

*Six (6) point bonus for any rivalry win in the NCAA tournament.

The Third Tier – Football

*Eight (8) points to the winner of the rivalry game, ten (10) if it’s a road win.

*Three (4) points for making a bowl game, and a three (3) bonus points for winning.

*Five (5) points for winning an ACC division title, and five (5) more for winning the ACC championship game. This would result in a BCS bowl berth, meaning it replaces the category above. Winning the BCS game is worth ten (10) points.

*Fifteen (15) points for winning a national championship.

The Fourth Tier – Basketball

*Eight (8) points for a home win in the rivalry game, ten (10) points for a road win.

*Eight (8) points for a neutral-floor win in the ACC Tournament.

*Six (6) points for winning the ACC regular season championship. Six (6) points for winning the ACC tournament.

*Fifteen (15) points for a Final Four berth.

*Twenty (20) points for a national championship. National championship points replace Final Four points.

*Thirty (30) points for the first ever rivalry win in the NCAA tournament.

And that’s the breakdown! Just for fun, I figured out how it would’ve played out in 2010-11, when UNC won the “Battle of the Blues” 14-12.

The result:

Duke: 71
UNC: 74

While figuring this out, which seriously took like two hours, I was down to the last two sports; men’s and women’s track and field. Duke was up 71-70. And man, was I hoping they could hold the fort. Alas, they did not; in both, UNC finished higher than Duke at the ACC outdoor and indoor national championships.This, of course, is not an official result. The first W.A. Erwin Cup will be won this spring.

Will is going to set up a page that monitors the Erwin Cup standings throughout the year, and the score will be displayed permanently in the right sidebar of the blog. I would also like to start a trend of people taking some kind of photo of themselves holding a “W.A. Erwin Cup” sign at games or matches where a point is at stake. If anyone does this, your picture will be displayed prominently here.

Also, we will get an actual Cup at some point and find someone to award it to.

Brace yourselves for the war to get real, my friends. The ghost of Erwin is riding tobacco road, and he won’t be appeased until a winner is crowned.

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